Intermittent Fasting, The Vodka Diet, OR How I Got Skinny For My Wedding Like a Real Man

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Call me girly, but I had no intentions of being fat at my wedding.  Unfortunately, with only a few months to go, that was exactly the situation I was facing.  I needed to take drastic measures, measures most will find insane.  And, because of my experimental personality, I took them!  Lo and behold, it worked!  I dropped a total of 25 pounds, and I’m now leaner than I’ve been in over 3 years.  What was my solution?  Drink more Vodka and Mocha’s; eat more Burgers and Bacon; and pay as little attention to detail as possible!

The fact that I ended up with this much fat to lose would shock anyone who’s known me for most of my life.  I am not someone who grew up a chubby kid, I was always skinny as a rail.  I also didn’t have the (all-too-common) situation where over a decade or two of adult life I slowly and almost inexplicably gained weight to the point where I didn’t recognize myself.  Oh no, my friends. Until a few years ago, I was lean.  Really lean.

So, how did I get fat?  Wait for it …

I made myself fat on purpose!

Before I explain WHY I made myself fat, I want to be clear that I was fat … for a weightlifter who has spent 20 years gaining muscle.  I recognize that while my bodyfat percentage was higher than healthy, it was not where many people start who are really struggling with weight. I’m sensitive to the fact that my situation does NOT represent many Americans. That said, I was fatter than I should have been, and my health numbers were not looking as nice as they once did.  It was time for a change. 

The reason I’m writing this is because the change was both fast and dramatic.  Combining that with the fact that it honestly wasn’t that hard for me to get lean again makes the story compelling.  I really hope that my story can help others who decide that losing some unwanted fat is priority #1.  So long as they are willing to pay the price – everything in life has a price, everything – then making dramatic changes really is possible.

The Set Up: Strain to Gain

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(Photo by Mighty Kat. Me at a local contest in “snatch-pull” mode.)

When I turned 30, I decided to experiment and see how big and strong I could get if I gave up on my waist line.  Again, for the sake of clarity, when I say that I got fat on purpose, that’s a bit misleading.  I got BIG on purpose.  The fat was something I knew that I couldn’t avoid if I was going to take my experiment as far as I wanted to.  And, given my proclivities toward self-experimentation, going “all out” was the only option.

I was always a small kid.  Very short, and very skinny.  Now, I’ve never had a problem with being short.  In fact, I’ve always liked that fact about me.  You know those people who hit their heads going down stairs to the basement?  I’ve never done that.  It would be impossible.

Most males grow taller throughout high school.  Some even get taller through their first years of college.  Not me. I entered high school at the same towering height that I am now, 5 feet 6 inches (with shoes on).  The summer between my 8th grade year and my freshman year of high school contained the last growth spurt this giant of a man ever had.

That was always fine by me. But, being skinny was not OK.

Unfortunately, when I was a beginning my freshman year I only weighed 115 pounds – I was very skinny.  But, through much work and endless amounts of food, I was able to graduate high school weighing a staggering 128 pounds.  I worked hard for those 13 pounds.  However, my abysmal rate of progress was indicative of my total lack of knowledge about what it was that I was doing!  Cookie dough is not ideal as a weightlifting food.  And doing nothing but upper body bodybuilding is NOT the way to massive muscular weight.

By the time I turned 30, I’d wised up about how I trained and how I ate.   I had built myself up to 160 pounds, I was strong, and I was pretty happy with how I looked.

During my 20’s I’d competed as a Powerlifter at 145 pounds and topped out with a best squat of 450, deadlift 500, and Bench Press of 360.  All raw, no suit, no belt, no nothin’.  I was most proud of the deadlift, as that was over 3 times my bodyweight on a lift that you just can’t cheat.

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(This is me in my 20’s apparently trying to sell Yogurt!  It was Lemon, in case you’re wondering.)

The point being that during my 20’s I was lean and strong.  I liked the way I looked and I was rather happy with where I’d brought myself up to that point.  But, I was still curious about my upper limits.

I’d begun Olympic Weightlifting a few years previous and was already coaching a competitive club at the time.  I was NOT anywhere near as good at Olympic lifting as I was at Powerlifting.  Powerlifting favors guys who are brute strong, especially if you are brute strong for your weight.  Brute strength is something I’ve got.

Oly lifting requires that you spend years upon years honing technique so that you can apply your strength.  I was still in the “honing” phase. (I still am!)

But, I felt like I’d topped out just how big I was going to get while maintaining the same level of leanness that I’d always had.  My entire life, I’d been so lean that you could see veins popping out of my chest, my oblique’s had striations, I looked like I was a month out of a bodybuilding contest at all times.

I decided it was time for that to change.  If I was going to get stronger, I would have to get bigger.  If I was going to get bigger, I was going to have to get fatter.

Once I made that choice, I did what I do when I make any choice: I went all out.  I started eating about 5000 calories a day.  I ate everything.  Pie, McDonalds, Bacon, Pizza, Ice Cream.  I ate it all, everyday, all day.  My only concern every day was if I had eaten enough to fuel my workouts to keep me growing.

I succeeded.  For a few years running I gained 20 pounds a year.  And while I did gain fat, the rate of fat gain wasn’t that bad considering the debaucherous food I was consuming!  My strength was finally going up again, as well.

When I’d started Olympic lifting I found out something that was quite humbling.  Just because you can powerlifting-squat a certain weight – wide legs, bent over like you’re doing a goodmorning, at (but not below) parallel – doesn’t mean that you will be able to Oly squat anywhere near that.  Worse, you may only be able to front squat the bar.  And because I had spent years doing bench presses and curls, my wrists were so tight, I couldn’t rack a front squat to save my life!!

I became determined to be a great front squatter – this was going to become MY lift.

I’d started focusing pretty strongly on the front squat once I discovered this (a few years prior), but it hadn’t been going up at the rate I’d hoped.  (Much of the reason was that my programming sucked.  Read this years birthday post to get a feel about my current thoughts on that subject.)  But, after a year of some serious bulking I’d built my front squat up to 120, then 130, then 135 kilos.

By two years in, my front squat was 145 kilos, and I’d built my body up to a bulky 93 kilos.  Trust me, when you are barely 5’6’’ and you weigh 205 pounds of mostly muscle and some fat, you look like a tank – you ain’t as shapely as Arnold!

Suddenly, finding clothes that fit went from hard to impossible.  I stopped dressing in the more “stylish” ways I was used to (to the chagrin of my now Wife), and wore the classic jock attire exclusively: T-shirts, Hoodies, overly baggy jeans or workout pants – or kilts, of course.  (Seriously, my wife loves the weightlifting and the muscle.  But, she said on more than a few occasions that she “didn’t sign on for some jock dude”.)

Before Pictures: Fat/Strong

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My wife is nice and contends that I didn’t look that bad.  Objectively, I know she was right.  I wasn’t even that fat!  But, we both like me better now that I’m back down to something approaching my previous leanness.  I was starting to teeter on the line of having an unreasonable amount of fat, given my muscle mass at the time, and going over the edge.  One more year like that, and it would have gone too far.

After that 2 year period of unabashed eating, I decided to drop some weight.  I dropped down to about 195 pounds.

This brings us up to the “a few months before my wedding” part of the story.  I was still not lean.  I couldn’t see my abs (I had one, maybe two), and because of a messed-up quirk in my genetics where my face carries the majority of my fat, my head still looked like a pumpkin!

The problem was that I hate to diet, and yet I only had a few months to get down to being truly lean again.

Intermittent Fasting to the Rescue!

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(Me on my Honey Moon, post diet.)

Lucky for me, about this time I discovered two guys simultaneously: Martin Berkhan and Brad Pillon.  Both of them are the primary proponents of what has come to be termed “Intermittent Fasting”.  I’m not going to go into all the details of what that means since they’ve done a much better job of explaining it than I could.  But, the basics are this:  When you eat, you can eat;  Otherwise, don’t eat.  Simple!

There is a fundamental reality to losing fat that people seem unable to accept fully.  If you want to lose fat, you MUST take in fewer calories that you burn.  Period.  There is no other way.  I don’t care what you heard on Nightline or read in Newsweek.

Most diets proscribe what you can and can’t eat.  This food is good, that food is bad.  I have never done well with the idea of restricting my choices when it comes to food.  I like food – all food (except potatoes, which is its own story).

The second problem with most diets is that you are asked to eat smaller meals.   If you are going to restrict calories, then in order to eat 3, 4, up to 6+ meals a day, they will have to be small if you’re going to stay under your allotment.  Screw that!

My Cardinal Rule of Dieting: 

When I eat, I don’t want to care about my diet!!

I like to eat.  When I sit down to eat, I don’t want to be restricted in either my options or portions.  This is why I gravitated so comfortably to the idea of fasting.

Fasting is not a “diet”.  It is more of a lifestyle choice that just happens to work like a diet.

I did it in 2 phases that each (somewhat, though not totally) represent the versions of Intermittent Fasting that each of the 2 guys above (Martin and Brad) promote most strongly.

Phase 1: Mellow and Slow and Still Gaining Strength!

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I ended up hitting a 155k Front Squat PR while I was in the middle of a “diet”!   I also went from barely hitting 90k snatches to power snatching it multiple times a week, and hitting a new PR of 95k!  Not bad for being calorie restricted.

For about 3 months I followed the basic tenet of Berkan’s fasting system and gave myself a  “feeding window” every day where I got to eat.  And at any other time, I didn’t eat.

(His system calls for an 8-hour window, I did 10 or more.  With twice a day training like I was doing, 8 wasn’t practical – read below for more details.)

During this window, I would try to get in all my protein, veggies, and other needed stuff for the day.  I didn’t try hard, and I didn’t count calories. But, I slowly dropped from 195 pounds to 186 pounds over the course of 3 months and was noticeably leaner all the while gaining strength.

Seriously, my diet was not complicated.  Here was how I worked it around my workout schedule – which was also its own crazy experiment.

To be fair, my workout schedule included up to 13 sessions a week, all to max on Oly lifts and/or squats, so you might be inclined to think that it was this that spurned the fatloss.  But, keep in mind that I was working out similarly prior to the fasting protocol and I was NOT getting leaner until I added the fasting.

Monday/Wednesday – Not really fasting, just skip breakfast

6am – wake up.

No breakfast.

10am – workout: Front squat + Snatch to 1RM (1 rep max)

Chocolate milk

Lunch – usually a sandwich or something similar, even pizza.

2pm – workout: Same

2nd lunch – similar

Evening – workout again: snatch and back squat to max, sometimes throw in clean and jerk.

chocolate milk and something small for dinner.

No eating after 10pm

Tuesday/Thursday – 14 hour fast

6am – wake up

10am – workout: front squat to max – just water

12pm – lunch, AKA break-fast

Evening – workout: power versions and front squats to max

Dinner – stop eating by 10.

Friday – longer fast

6am – wake up

Don’t eat all day till …

4 or 5 pm - Workout: Max on Oly lifts and Back Squats. Drink Gatorade and a Mocha during workout.

Dinner – stop eating by 10.

Saturday

6am – wake up

11am – workout: Front or Back squats, maybe RDL’s, some power versions … it changed a lot.  Drink gatorade during + a mocha

3pm – lunch.

Stop eating at 10.

Sunday

Workout: Sometime during the day come in and back squat to a max with a few back off sets.

Eat whatever.  Day off from dieting.

That’s it.  I didn’t think too hard about it.  I didn’t count calories.  I didn’t even follow the rules very hard.  I was able to train between 9 and 13 sessions a week, get stronger, and stay on a weekly calorie deficit without making myself crazy.  All plusses!!

The ONLY downside was that it was a slow process, and my wedding was fast approaching!

I needed to get drastic.

Phase 2: Fast and Crazy

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I had just over 4 weeks.  I decided to experiment yet again.  (I am very prone to experimenting on myself, if you can’t tell!)  This time, I was going to start doing 24 hour fasts.  Brad Pilon suggests 1, 2, or even 3 fasts a week that are 24-hours (eat dinner the night before, then don’t eat again until your next dinner).  Even at just one time a week you can easily drop your weekly calorie count by 2000 calories.  (If you eat like me!)

Well … if it works with just 1 or 2 fasts a week, what about 5?

Crazy?  Yes!  But, I figured I ate myself fat without any regard to health for the sole purpose of putting on muscle and strength, so I might as well see what happens if I do the opposite:  lose fat fast without any regard for my strength or muscle.

Again, I succeeded.  I was losing fat so fast that it was noticeable almost from day to day.  Each week, the difference was dramatic.  In just a touch over a month, I lost 15 pounds!  And, from what I can tell, most of that was fat.

Now … not all of it was fat!  I’ve clearly lost some muscle, as my strength levels went down.  But, I expected that.  What I wanted was extreme fatloss, no matter what.  And I got it.

What about working out?

That was the hard part.  The truth is, if you are only eating one meal a day for most of the week, then there is no way you can work out very hard unless that meal is huge.  But, making that meal giant and full of protein and all my essential nutrients, blah blah blah, would have resulted in too many calories.  I wanted extremely fast fatloss.  That required abysmally low calories.

Just as importantly, eating all that food in one meal would have broken my cardinal rule: When I eat, I don’t want to care!

Nearly every night, I’d go out to dinner.  I’d drink vodka with that dinner, or beer, or whatever I wanted.  I ate burgers, steak, tater tots, dessert, whatever.  It didn’t matter.  This was the only thing I was eating all day.  I regularly would clock in under 1200 calories on these days.  Let’s face it, a burger, a few fries, and some vodka just isn’t that many calories when it is all you’ve eaten today.

But, the problem was that I would only be getting about 20 to 60 grams of protein a day, some carbs and fat.  That’s it.  Not at all conducive to building strength, or even maintaining it.

My goal was to create a massive deficit, and still feel like I got to be normal for at least one meal a day.  That is what I got.

I started out with good intentions, mind you!  My plan was to do the 24-hour fasts 5 days a week, and then on 2 days a week, I’d do 8 hour fasts.  On those 2 days, I’d workout.  That lasted about 2 weeks before I realized how impossible that was.  My weekly calorie count was so low, that any serious exercise was out of the question.  So, what the hell.  Why not push it harder!

For that last 2 weeks, on the 24-hour days, I decided to limit myself to 800 calories a day.

Yep.  800 calories a day!  And as wild and downright stupid as that sounds, I am sooo glad I did it!

Surprising Revelations

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At this point you may be writing me off as a psycho.  Before I did this experiment, I’d have done the same thing.  But, I’m the kind of guy who will try something (and really give it a go) before I lay out the harsh judgment from up on high.

Here are some of the more interesting things I discovered:

  • Even though a real “workout” was not going to happen, I was surprisingly alert, happy, and energetic all day while fasting like a maniac.
  • I lost strength, but not as much as I’d have thought.  (Read my new plan below for details on that front.)
  • I NEVER suffered.  I honestly didn’t feel like I was dieting at all.  I just didn’t eat for most of the day. (I did drink a ton of coffee … but that is totally normal for me!)  And, when I did eat, I was able to join in with my friends, eat fun food, drink “adult” drinks, and not care.
  • While not eating all day was hard at first, I was shocked how fast I adapted.  If your body starts to get the point that it isn’t getting food until the evening, it will largely stop whining about it.
  • I started to look “younger”.  On a ton of occasions, people told me how much younger I looked.  Some of this is attributable to the leaning out of my face.   But, apparently I’m not alone among fasters.  When you fast, your body releases growth hormone at a rate this is higher than normal.  Growth hormone plays a role in making your skin and hair look youthful.  It is at least possible that this happened to some degree here given the extreme nature of my fasting protocol.

And many more.  Seriously, read the stuff written by Martin Berkhan and Brad Pilon.  I’m only one case study, but my results corroborate much of what they are saying.

Conclusions and My New Plan

I’m not done.  I’m still fasting. But, I’m back on a plan that more closely resembles Phase One, above.  I’m lifting 5 days a week for at least 2 or 3 hours a pop, and things are looking up.

But, the one downside is that I got what I asked for:  A lean body at the expense of some of my hard earned strength!

My two favorite lifts are the Snatch and the Front Squat, so I’ll continue focusing on those.   Before I started my Phase Two, I hit a PR snatch of 95k, and a PR Front Squat of 155k at a bodyweight of about 85k.  Today I weighed in at 76k (roughly 167 pounds), and I snatched 90k on Monday.  Solid.  I lost just under 20 pounds, and my snatch is almost what it was when I was bigger.  That is great!

But, … my Front Squat is still down by 20 kilos.  I haven’t done over 135 yet since I have gotten back on the horse. This hurts me!  The Front Squat is my favorite lift of all time.  Hot diggity I love Front Squats.  I starting off with the Front Squat as my WORST lift, to making it my best.  That is something I was quite proud of!

New Goals: By this time next year, I’d like to still be in this weight class (the 77k class), hit a 105 or 110 kilo snatch and do a 182k (400#) front squat.  That’s a tall order.  I may not hit the numbers I want, but they provide me with some solid goals to shoot for.

I’ll keep you updated, as usual.  And, I’ll make sure to do another post in a few months on my progress using this “diet” system in conjunction with an Olympic lifters training schedule.

And please, if you have your own Intermittent Fasting stories, post them in the comments section.

Learn More

If you are serious about learning more about Intermittent Fasting, I suggest you get the book by Brad Pillon called, “Eat Stop Eat.”  It is exceedingly well written, researched, and easy to digest.  It’s where I started.

 

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Awesome YouTube video tutorials posted at this site, I am going to subscribe for daily updates, because I don’t want to miss this series.

Thanks Celia!! I'm glad you dig 'em :-)

Nick, I love your site dude. I'm a longtime meditator and an RX crossfitter who is getting more and more into pure strength training and oly lifting.

This is one of the most helpful and funny descriptions of the IF experience that I've found online. I've been doing the leangains approach for a couple weeks now and I love the feeling of it but I'm not convinced its working for fat loss yet. I'm eating pretty good. Probably two full cheats a week and I'm just not losing weight. Like you I refuse to count calories and I don't want to care what I'm eating. I know IF works for me intuitively but I still feel unsure based on the scale. Did you see weight fluctuations do to water weight etc at first?

Hey brother, I only just saw this comment. Sorry it's taken me so long to reply!

The trouble with not counting calories is that you can accidentally eat too many! LOL

The way I go around that was making sure I got a minimum of one or two 24 hour fasts in a week. And when I lost the 15 in 4-weeks, I was doing a full 24 hour fast almost every day. You do that, you're almost certainly going to lose weight. It's a rare person who can overeat in only one meal a day.

Water weight fluctuations are certainly normal depending on what you eat. I eat a lot of salt, and I don't skimp on carbs, so I'm gaining and losing water like crazy! I can shift 8 pounds up or down no problem.

The pure lean gains didn't work for me because it requires that you are methodical. The Brad Pilon version is more my style.

But it was when I started combining them that I got the best results. Lean gains most days, and at least 1 or 2 24-hour fasts is what did it for me when I was losing weight and still getting stronger.

Straight up hard-core 24-hour daily fasts for when I was killing it.

Hope that helps!!
Nick

thanks for the reply nick. I agree with you about pure leangains. Plus I have actual sports goals that are prioritized above my fat loss/body comp goals so leangains is not optimal. I've sort of settled into what you are doing. Now that I'm fully adapted to the fasting lifestyle it is really no problem for me to go the full 24 without eating. I do that prolly four days a week and would like to make it more like 5-6.

I'll keep you posted on my fasting progress....also just started Mike Burgener's 23 day bulgarian cycle. any thoughts on that regimen?

*aside: I actually did one of the heaviest days recently near the end of a 24 hour fast and had no problem whatsoever. Just drank some BCAAs throughout and hit all my lifts which were multiple singles(snatch/C&J/BS) at 95%...Pretty cool.

You know, my lifter Brandon did some fasting for a few weeks, and was able to come into the gym (after not eating all day) and still hit some really heavy lifts.

Peter and I are doing a lot of experiments with this stuff (not just on fatloss clients, but on athletes) to see how far we can push it and where it can be used in performance training.

I'll keep you posted!

OH, and the Burgener template is great. Go with it!

Nick,

You totally rock! I found your link on Brad Pilon's FB page. Thank you for sharing. I'm actually looking for something to help my clients and my "Curvy Goddesses" who have alot of fat to lose.

I will have to read more of Berkhan's method too. I went on The Warrior Diet which is close to Berkhan's method but it includes food combining. I lost 10 pounds in two weeks and was never ever hungry. It was really amazing and eye-opening.

Thanks again Nick.

Thanks Diane!!!

The warrior diet is a pretty good intro, but I think Berkhan has really improved on it. Trying to get all your macronutrient needs in only one meal is rather unrealistic.

Here's his Lean Gains Guide if you haven't read it yet:
http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.h...

Good luck with your own clients!

'Calories in, calories out' - I don't think so.

See this: Robert Sapolsky lecturing on chaos theory and nonlinear complex systems:
http://impulsestrength.tumblr.com/post/9282849398/...

(Kudos to Matt at http://impulsestrength.tumblr.com/post/9282849398/...)

Be careful not to misapply the above. Reductionism still has a place, and in practice works very well.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-ener...

Calories in vs calories out is still the overriding factor in fat loss (after that add in protein intake and weight training so that the energy deficit is covered from fat stores rather than lean tissue).

You just need to be aware of the other factors, and realise it isn't an equation you can use with incredible precision (i.e. fat loss in the real world isn't 100% reducible). Not that you need to be very precise in the first place; approximations in this context are more than sufficient.

Well said, Stefan.

Steve,

To say the phrase, "Calories in, calories out," is basically to say the following. "Be in a calorie deficit."

Applying Chaos theory, or rather simply accepting that the body is a complex system only reminds us that knowing exactly how many calories to take in, or how many are being expended is not going to be easy. Any predictions are largely futile.

But, as Stefan said, that doesn't change the reality that you need to be in a deficit. In fact, this is one of the reasons WHY I like intermittent fasting as a way of dealing with fatloss. You don't have to care too much about the details, which would be impossible to grasp fully anyway.

So, the sentence, "You need to be in a calorie deficit" is BOTH complex and simple depending upon how you are looking at it.

Nick , I'm a fan of IF and using it successfully myself (as I commented on your fb page)...I'm just curious what you understand about the old 'metabolism' discussion re not eating breakfast. (I didn't see any response to this in your article, which I admit some sections I merely skimmed.) Why are our metabolisms (ESP mine!) not screeching to a grinding halt when skipping that sacred morning meal?

Margie, great question!!

It turns out that the old understanding of how our bodies metabolisms respond to food weren't grounded in solid science. Our bodies are far more adaptable and robust than previously thought. Eating just a few meals a day (or 1!) or eating many small meals seems to make no difference to your metabolism.

With hindsight, it makes some evolutionary sense. If our species was prone to having massive metabolism "crashes" if we didn't eat every 2 or 3 hours, then we likely would have died out long ago. It's a rare animal in the wild that can just eat whenever it wants to.

Here's a good read by Berkhan that covers this issue:
http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-m...

As both yours and my own results confirm, sometimes when you don't eat for the first part of the day you feel MORE energetic, not less. Pretty cool!

GJDM. Your transformation is nothing short of inspiring.

I do have one question though. During the 800-1200 calorie phase, you mention how you "never suffered." I've experienced with similar calorie deficits in the past, and I honestly usually feel pretty miserable. Of course, part of the problem was that I had a tendency to sit around brooding about food. I also lifted three times a week during that period, and did some brisk walking daily on top of that. Perhaps I was overtraining given such a deficit?

Still, I can't imagine how you didn't experience the negative side effects of decreased leptin levels. Your saying you never had just a general sense of weakness? When you say you realized you couldn't have much of a workout, did you lift during that time? Any sort of cardio like walking?

Still, amazing work bro. That kind of hard work speaks to your character and resilience.

Thanks Matt,

Good questions!

When I was doing the massively low calories I didn't lift anything, ever. No more working out. It was impossible. BUT, I did a lot of walking. I always walk for at least 30-60 minutes a day, simply because I live in a city and don't own a car.

It could be that you were overtraining. But, I'd say the fact that you brooded about food was a bigger problem. Pilon talks about this a lot, how if you can somehow not think about food and keep yourself busy then you won't be as miserable.

I can attest to this. I was always very busy during the day time, so I could easily go all day not eating. I made SURE I was busy! LOL. I found extra work to do, took on more projects, etc.

Also, I'm not sure how you split up your calories when you were on such a large deficit, but I can tell you that by having all 800+ calories at one time makes it much better. Everyday, I KNEW that so long as I could endure whatever hunger pains I was having, that I would get a nice fun meal at the end of the day. There is no need to brood about food if you get to eat a big meal full of fun food. Yes, you only get one. But, that's better than none! :)

great article, im also a huge fan of IF. i was just curious if during phase 1 you were eating below your maintnance each day (and if you did and kept track by how much)? thanks for all the great info and 'experimenting'.

Honestly, I didn't track calories AT ALL. I didn't bother thinking hard about it. That was my point, actually: To be able to lose fat without having to care that much.

I think I was eating below maintenance each day, but not by much. Which is why I added the longer fasts on Fridays to make up for it.

Again, combining the approaches of a daily shorter fast (16/8, or 14/10, whatever) with 1 or 2 longer fasts during the week just may be a sweet spot for creating an EASY weekly calorie deficit without ever having to count calories or care.

Great job! I've done sort of the opposite with IF. I've put on almost 20lbs and stayed lean with IF and daily squatting and Oly lifting and have added 20 kgs to my back squat since the new year. So I think you can still make mass and strength gains.

That's killer Debbie!! I'm hoping to use this to do something similar at this point. Gain strength, and still keep leaning out.

What is truly amazing is that it just isn't even hard to do. Isn't "dieting" supposed to suck? LOL

I just stumbled onto your site and I have enjoyed reading your articles. I do have one question though regarding your IF experience. When you mentioned about "not caring" when you ate, from your phase one it showed that most of your meals were small regardless. To me one sandwich or a slice of pizza seems like a small meal. Even though you "didn't care" did you notice that you were eating small meals anyways? I am new to this fasting thing and from what I have read from Martin's and Brad's site (as well as yours) is that the trick to having success with IF is to watch portions carefully to go along with fasting. Is this correct or am I missing something? Thanks.

Thanks for the compliment Al!

You're right that in the end, total calories taken in over the week is THE thing that determines whether or not you are going to lose fat. During Phase 1, my fat loss was rather slow in part because I often would over-eat! That's why I ended up throwing in the one longer fast a week. That buffered me.

Also, I've noticed that on the shorter fasting days, I still do best with only 1 or 2 meals plus the crap I take in during my workouts which amounts to a meal. This way, I can eat more at one sitting.

But, let me tell you, during/after phase 2 ... my appetite went through the floor. I went from craving large meals to never being able to finish small ones. At that point getting in ENOUGH calories was becoming a problem! LOL

I fast on Sundays...have been doing it for a few years. Try to do a computer/electronics fast on that day too. I've worked out on fasting days and felt really good, not strong, but energetic and alert, like you describe in the post. It's a good day to go to the park and play on the bars and a good day to stretch as my concentration and focus is better. In fact, I often get in a zone on some project and don't notice that it's time to break the fast. One other thing that I've noticed is that it matters what I eat immediately after fasting. I ease back into eating with yogurt and a handful of nuts to start. http://bit.ly/cWHt77

Great article, Adam!

I started out playing with fasting with a 1-day a week one, also, after reading Pilon's book. My experience with that was really similar to how you wrote yours up.

Your ability to get into a "zone" is something I notice, too. In fact, just doing my morning fasts has made me much more productive during those hours than I used to be. That boost to my productivity has been worth it all on its own!

And yes!! The first meal after a long fast can't be huge! I will often just eat some almonds and dried fruit, then an hour later I can eat a real meal.

Nick,

Great post and success story on IF. I'm 4 weeks out of my wedding and have been IF'ing to lean out too. Seen some great results (both strength and in the mirror) but might try the 24 hour fasts 2-3x a week to help it go even faster.

Thanks again on your insight.

Sounds like a good plan. I really like combining the approaches. Doing even just one 24-hour fast a week means you can be a bit more lax during your normal 16/8 fasts during the rest of the week.

Anything to make my meal times more mellow and fun I'm all for.

So you only did legs 5 days a week? No deadlifts, or bench's? Just squats? Your legs weren't overtrained?

I've squatting as much as 3 times a day, to a max single, plus some back-off sets. Nope, didn't over train. Then again, I overtraining is overrated.

I didn't deadlift - though I threw in RDL's here and there.

I only bench with light weights to get blood pumpin in my old shoulders. Heavy benching has never been something I'm interested in.

Hmmm, I've been doing IF for a while but I would always switch between body parts throughout the week. I will have to try your method. I only have about 20lbs left to see my abs. Thanks.

The way we train in my club is pretty simple when it comes down to it. Singles and doubles up to something heavy as hell on the Oly lifts and squats every day. That's about it!

You can see more of our workouts by checking out our WOD's here:
http://www.pdxweightlifting.com/

Hi Nick,

You mentioned that the Phase I was working but just too slow. How long did you stay on this phase and how much did you lose.

Phase 1 lasted about 3 months, and I lost 10 pounds. I was getting stronger at the same time, so I have a feeling I wasn't losing muscle. That is not a dramatic fatloss rate. But, for someone like me who has been lifting for nearly 20 years, to be gaining strength while losing weight was rather cool!

Im also on "diet" but I eat the things I like just less.(and also took an advise from u to eat more protein)

have went down 8 kilos in 3 month from 120 to 112. I had an "HARDCORE" bulking fase that I regret but I got my strength up but couldnt barely show my self on the beach because Ive got HIPS:O like those that womens havingxD

I have goal of 105 ish because at that weight I dont look like a sumowrestler and still is as strong as I am now=)

Im impressed by ur PL numbers, very high for such low bodyweight.

Are u going to do phase 1 now? Btw I so wanting ur job so I can train as much as u:P

also wondering whats ur best clean and jerk is? 120??

8 kilos in 3 months while still getting stronger is very good!

My best Clean and Jerk SHOULD be 120 or more, but it's only 115. I can Jerk 125 off the rack, but my clean is my worst lift. It's a technical problem that I'm trying to fix.

Great article. I too am an IF convert for 2 reasons 1) Its simple, and 2) Psychologically its very easy. Compared to the typical '6 small meals a day' approach, its a breeze....the 6 small meals approach is absolute psychological torture for anyone who is in the habit of eating big meals...you are ALWAYS hungry...this is the great thing with IF, and it's somewhat counterintuitive. You will typically be less hungry eating nothing during the day. Sure the hunger is there, but it's managable

I will spend 3 months a year ( typically before the summer hols ;), doing the IF thing at it works like a charm every time

I think your points are right on. There is a funny irony that you are honestly less hungry NOT eating than eating small meals. Now ... I think for most people it will take a few weeks to acclimate to this kind of thing. But, once you do, it is shockingly easy!

Interesting article, Nick! It's surprising, like you say you didn't look overweight before but you really do look much better now. And yeah, fasting 5 days a week does sound somewhat mental but you can't argue with those results. I didn't realise you were into powerlifting when you were younger, I'd be interested to hear any advice you'd give your younger self based on the lessons you've learnt.

Enjoy those front squats!

Rob, Munich

"I’d be interested to hear any advice you’d give your younger self based on the lessons you’ve learnt."

Hmm ... that sounds like a good idea for a future article! I'll get on that :)

Thanks, Rob!

I rarely hear people dropping weight class in weightlifting. If you're maintaining your strength, why not?

I've tried IF at some point myself, I find eating real food + IF really boosts gym performance and leaning potential. Good luck!

PS. Hit a new clean PR at Cal Strength and had my first meet last weekend. I think it's time for me to hit PDX again to workout w/ y'all!

Awesome, Matt! Congrats on the PR, that's fantastic. You should definitely get up here for some lifting!!

I'm not the only one dropping weight classes in my club, right now. Brandon is dropping from the 69's to the 62's. He's only a few kilo's away now, and he's still getting stronger. So, it places him better next year at nationals.

Arron has been dropping weight on what you can call the PhD student diet ... stress + hard work + weightlifting = weight loss, apparently!

My Wife is now almost a 53. She started as a 63.

We're going to dominate the lighter weightclasses, I guess! LOL

BTW Nick I've followed IF protocol's for several years.  I do a mixture of Berkham's work and Kiefer's of dangerouslyhardcore.com right now.  I've done 9 months of a modified warrior diet as well which got me super lean.  It was done by my late friend Wesley Silveria who finished this book before he passed. http://www.ironaddicts.com/store/products/Iron-Add...'s-Metabolic-Rebound-Diet--.html.

Awesome!  Coming from you, that's a big endorsement.  Lot's of people worry about losing strength, but you're pretty solid proof of the opposite!

BTW, I just bought the book by your friend.   Can't wait to read it!

Alright, you've sold me. Like you, I enjoy an experimental approach -- head knowledge can take you only so far -- at some point you have to go give it a try and see what happens. ;) I'm starting an IF program this very week. We shall see what happens!

Sweet!  Keep my updated Brandon!

Nick,

You totally rock! I found your link on Brad Pilon's FB page. Thank you for sharing. I'm actually looking for something to help my clients and my "Curvy Goddesses" who have alot of fat to lose.

I will have to read more of Berkhan's method too. I went on The Warrior Diet which is close to Berkhan's method but it includes food combining. I lost 10 pounds in two weeks and was never ever hungry. It was really amazing and eye-opening.

Thanks again Nick.

Thanks Diane!!!

The warrior diet is a pretty good intro, but I think Berkhan has really improved on it. Trying to get all your macronutrient needs in only one meal is rather unrealistic.

Here's his Lean Gains Guide if you haven't read it yet:
http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.h...

Good luck with your own clients!

'Calories in, calories out' - I don't think so.

See this: Robert Sapolsky lecturing on chaos theory and nonlinear complex systems:
http://impulsestrength.tumblr.com/post/9282849398/...

(Kudos to Matt at http://impulsestrength.tumblr.com/post/9282849398/...)

Be careful not to misapply the above. Reductionism still has a place, and in practice works very well.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-ener...

Calories in vs calories out is still the overriding factor in fat loss (after that add in protein intake and weight training so that the energy deficit is covered from fat stores rather than lean tissue).

You just need to be aware of the other factors, and realise it isn't an equation you can use with incredible precision (i.e. fat loss in the real world isn't 100% reducible). Not that you need to be very precise in the first place; approximations in this context are more than sufficient.

Well said, Stefan.

Steve,

To say the phrase, "Calories in, calories out," is basically to say the following. "Be in a calorie deficit."

Applying Chaos theory, or rather simply accepting that the body is a complex system only reminds us that knowing exactly how many calories to take in, or how many are being expended is not going to be easy. Any predictions are largely futile.

But, as Stefan said, that doesn't change the reality that you need to be in a deficit. In fact, this is one of the reasons WHY I like intermittent fasting as a way of dealing with fatloss. You don't have to care too much about the details, which would be impossible to grasp fully anyway.

So, the sentence, "You need to be in a calorie deficit" is BOTH complex and simple depending upon how you are looking at it.

Nick , I'm a fan of IF and using it successfully myself (as I commented on your fb page)...I'm just curious what you understand about the old 'metabolism' discussion re not eating breakfast. (I didn't see any response to this in your article, which I admit some sections I merely skimmed.) Why are our metabolisms (ESP mine!) not screeching to a grinding halt when skipping that sacred morning meal?

Margie, great question!!

It turns out that the old understanding of how our bodies metabolisms respond to food weren't grounded in solid science. Our bodies are far more adaptable and robust than previously thought. Eating just a few meals a day (or 1!) or eating many small meals seems to make no difference to your metabolism.

With hindsight, it makes some evolutionary sense. If our species was prone to having massive metabolism "crashes" if we didn't eat every 2 or 3 hours, then we likely would have died out long ago. It's a rare animal in the wild that can just eat whenever it wants to.

Here's a good read by Berkhan that covers this issue:
http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-m...

As both yours and my own results confirm, sometimes when you don't eat for the first part of the day you feel MORE energetic, not less. Pretty cool!

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